So I recently found out that Esthetique has been uploading my BHOH scans on mangahut and took the credit page out and used it as their own piece of work. I wasn't going to reveal what they wrote to me when I first continue to upload BHOH but since they stooped so low and used my scans without even asking me, I will reveal to everyone. They asked me to stop translating BHOH from Volume 4 because it was their so called "project" but I ignored them and continued on for the fans.
Why are they stooping so low? I really don't understand it but you know what? I don't care now, just as long as there are more fans out there reading HMR's work. I just want everyone to know that Esthetique is doing this.
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That was evil. I mean if Esthetique's not gonna continue their so-called project then better drop it. why would they ask you to stop doing it and even steal your work.
Yeah, that's really evil. I saw it on Mangahut and they uploaded to chapter 51 now.
They shouldn't have told you to stop since they took an awfully long time to update. If they can't do it, they should just drop it. Why carry on like this? It really is embarrassing for Esthetique to be doing this.
They are a big group and have a lot of scans out on mangafox but what they're doing now is unbelievable!
I think you should tell Mangahut don't take them down.
I never thought Esthetique was that low. I really like them but after this, thats just rude.
The point of scanlation is bring manga to fans, no matter who does them. There isn't really a claim, because they don't own it. So you should take actions!
Its your hard work.
>=/ nobody should take your credit.
oops i got a mistake in my last post.
Mangahut "SHOULD" take them down.
my bad ^^;;
If this continues, I'm going start putting logos on my scans. It's going to be annoying for the readers but I think I should do that to stop this from happening.
Yes, you should do sth. This is your hard work. By the way, thank you so much for uploading Hwang Mi Ri's manhwa...
I think that you should contact mangahut and ask them to remove Esthetique credit page for your chapter. If they don't believe you, then refer to their web page where they only have until chapter 10. Or you can even try to replace their credit page for your credit page again.
I don't think that working in a project that doesn't have any releases for at least half a year can be called stealing a project.
mmh, I can perfectly understand why they'd ask you to stop working on the same project. It's true that they aim for hq releases and so they put a lot more work into it (and I don't mean to offend you by saying this)and their releases end up being very slow. I think it's just frustrating for them having "kinda" wasted their time, when readers seem to care only about having the translation and not a well edited page. But I find strange for Esthetique to have done that to your scans. Did you receive a confirm from them? Because I'm quite sure the person who uploads scans to that kind of sites can edit the info about the scanlators. Maybe that "euphoria" is just a reader not associated to esthetique in any way and cancelled the credit page on purpose to cause a fight? You know, like there are people who steal raw scans links when it's forbidden.
It's true you could mark the scans, but since they're not yours to begin with, it'd be kind of bad, even if the scanner remains unknown.
I'm going to end this rant by thanking you for your releases :)
Rapunzel's releases are pretty HQ themselves. Plus who says there can't be more than one group working on them. Look at naruto and bleach. If some one is that dedicated to release them & and is quick. I say go for it.
^_^
plus watermarks on the scan can just say "rapunzel scanalationa" or something. not necessary say these are their scans.
I also find it strange that Esthetique would do this. They seem pretty anal about people stealing other people's projects and I don't think they would want to take credit for lq work since they work very hard to bring out hq work. Tha's why they're so slow. This is the first time someone has slandered (that I've seen) like this and they've been around for a while. It just seems impossible foe them to be doing this. As the person before, it could be possible someone else re-upped your scans and put in a credit page from esthetique since all you have to do is download one of their projects unzip it and copy the credit page to all the chapters. Anyway can upload it too. Have you contacted someone from the Esthetique forum? I don't believe Sylvie (Head Admin) or any of her staff would do something like this.
Errr.... The uploader was not from Esthetique. I suggest you get your facts correct before you go around spreading slander about other groups. you're the one being rude. Act like a mature adult and discuss it with Esthetique directly, rather than childishly spreading these things.
I agree! You're the rude one! Check first, slander when you have your facts right!!!!
Please get the facts right first before posting comments like this. The uploader isn't from Esthetique, so they can't really control what others do. If you go to Esthetique's website, you'll see that they don't have your releases there.
That's true ^^^^ I can't believe others out there just believed this short blurb without checking themselves either! :O fickle!!
I'm sorry, but I agree with the user above. I find it strange as well for Esthetique to do this.
I've been a member of Esthetique community for the past 3 years and this isn't their MO.
They do respect other scanlators wishes and they find ways to cooperate with other scanlators. Such as if two or more groups were doing the same projects, I find it more reasonable for them to do joint projects instead of doing what was said above ><
I've checked out this "MangaHut" site; I find it absolutely hard to believe that Esthetique will do this because:
1) Esthetique NEVER EVER supports a site such as MangaHut that offers users to download manga for $$$ when you can get it for free. They support the STOPTAZMO.
2) The scans from Vol 3 - 8 that I see from MangaHut are images from "MangaFox," since on the bottom of the scans says "This is hosted at mangafox.com...."
If uploading things to online reader or anything like sharing download links, they will always keep original works and all credits in place and they will always state who the scanlators are; never removing them (as I said, they respect the scanlators' rules)
To be honest, after ch 10, I'm not seeing any credit pages, especially Estheitque's credit page that was added in the volumes. The only thing I see visibly is what is said under the heading "Group" these dashes ---- and the member who uploaded them.
3) This "eurphoria" person who uploaded the series is a Site Mod of MangaHut (from what I see as a visitor) --> I'm not sure if eurphoria is a member of Esthetique, but I would assume that if such a member or any member who shares things to a site like MangaHut, they will be automatically banned from Esthetique's site.
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Overall, I believe that Esthetique has nothing to do with this.
Try contacting the MangaHut to take down your scans. Or better yet, since MangaHut has scans that you uploaded to MangaFox (proof at the bottom of MangaFox images), you should contact MangaFox directly to see what they can do.
But be prepared, I've witness a similar situation like this when contacting groups like MangaHut.
I have a feeling that whatever you do to contact MangaHut, they will always believe their Site Mod than an outsider of the community. (This has happened when others of the same forum community I was in were trying to contact Nihonomaru (NH) directly back in '07. When NH were stealing and claiming links without proper credit to scanlators and uploaders from popular known forums. In the end, NH banned anyone that was there posting and claiming stolen links that was theirs).
As said from the user above, please try to contact Esthetique directly in a private matter. This is how things get out of hand and how arguments starts.
The only BHOH scans at the site that I saw Esthetique credits for were the high quality scans that they had previously released.
Did you stop to consider that the UPLOADER chose not to upload the credit pages before you decided to publicly cry "foul" against another group?
Did you contact MANGAHUT to make a complaint about the missing credit pages and offer to send the credits to them?
Next time, contact everyone else involved privately before you choose to post something like this on your site. Oh, and you definitely owe some public apologies...
Well, I've been reading your translations of BHOH since you took over from Esthetique and then read your blog. Imagine my amazement when I read about your accusations. So I just had to see for myself if what you said was true. Because I've been lurking around the scanlation groups for a very long time... longer than even Esthetique or you have been around. And in all that time I've never seen evidence that Esthetique or MOST of the scanlating groups stoop to something so low.
What I saw when I looked at the uploaded scans on MANGAHUT was only that your credit page was taken out. I never did see an Esthetique credit page on any of your scans. However, I've only looked today, so if you had MANGAHUT remove the credit page like another poster suggested then I can see why I didn't see a credit page. However, like some of the others said it is very easy for someone to cause a stir among groups by attaching another's credit page to something else.
So then I went to check and see if euphoria is part of Esthetique and that person is not listed as a staff member. Granted they could change their names but if you're only accusing Esthetique because euphoria was the original uploader for BHOH onto MANGAHUT, then that's wrong.
You see why would Esthetique upload to MANGAHUT when they themselves are a hosting site and they not too long ago just lowered their post count to make downloading of their hosted projects easier to get? It makes no sense.
Also, Esthetique, as well as many other groups pride themselves on HQ releases, which makes releases slower. Not to be rude, but your releases are in no way HQ. However, they are not the worst I've seen. I would actually call them midgrade. Your translations are pretty good but you need to work more on your editing skills. Learn to level and rotate as well as cleaning out the smaller SFX and you would be well on your way to HQ. But I digress...
But I agree with some of the others I think you need to find out all the facts first before you just start accusing people of anything. I've watched other groups bash each other and it's really sad to see when everyone can ALL work together to make us leechers happy.
Its funny how there are so many anonymous..
xD
I think there are many anonymous because blog spot is not so popular...
o.O I was reading all this and I'm a bit confused...
Why would Esthetique upload something in mangahut when their site "is" a hosting site?
I would understand your "revealing" if you had more solid proof. And from what's been written so far, it doesnt seem like you've contacted Esthetique to check. Which brings me to a conclusion that you are blaming them without basis. What you have written is very damaging and to top it all off your only basis is a logo which could have been added by anyone who can zip and unzip a file.
The only thing I find complainable in your whole post is their mail to you to stop your scan. But this also goes two ways. Did they do it rudely?? Or were they just asking if you could stop because they are also working on it?? If it's the first case then you have the right to say they were wrong, because no one has the right to scan because it's basically illegal. But if it's the second case then I find your reaction over-reacting. Many scanlation teams (new and old) sometimes add projects which are already being worked on by another group. That is why scan teams usually send a mail to check if the other group is aware that the project is already being worked on.
If u were you i would have given them a reply stating that i dont have intentions to stop because you do have a good reason to continue where they stop. But telling them would have been a more mature and civil way to do it than sladering.
It's amazing how many anonymous comments there are. It's easy to jump on the bandwagon and bash someone when there's no name behind it...
Anyways, I've read all the comments on this page, while some of you say Rapunzel was the one being rude, have you taken a look at yourselves? I find most of your comments to be inconsiderate. However, some of you did address your concerns and made your points in a polite manner.
Have any of you ever had something stolen, such as a piece of art, writing, or possibly an idea. Then you would know how hurt Rapunzel probably was when she found out that some site had taken her credit page out and had given Esthetique credit for her hard work. She has dedicated hours of her free time, so that people such as you and me may have the privilege of reading Hwang Mi Ri's Manwha's when other groups where taking six months to a year just to release one chapter.
Which brings me to my next point. Some of you complain that Rapunzel's scans are low quality while Esthetique's scans are of high quality. Also, the reason Esthetique is so slow is because they have so many other projects. If that's the case they have no right to ask Rapunzel to stop translating Boarding House of Hunks. If they have so many other projects and take at least six months to release an update, you think they would welcome another translator to do it since they have dozens of other projects. They can't translate them all, a person can only do so much, which is why they have so many dropped projects and I suspect they'll have a lot more.
Before you post your comments on the matter I suggest you take a look on both sides of the fence. We all know Esthetique didn't steal her scans, but Rapunzel thought they did. She may not have handled it as she should have, but under the circumstances we all do rash things.
^_^
I like your post. Very well answered.
"It's amazing how many anonymous comments there are. It's easy to jump on the bandwagon and bash someone when there's no name behind it..."
It amazes me too.
Well,it's a good thing that you're scanlating this manga and sharing with fans,but editing in these is really really poor and Esthetique would never ever do such a thing as stealing this kind of low quality work and claim as theirs(of course they would not do it with hq scans either)It is obviously some stupid person who thought the scanlator was Esthetique and added a bogus credit page.So rest assured: Esthetique would never steal this kind of low quality work and claim it as theirs.It is actually quite funny that you could even think that they did!
That was so rude of them to ask you to drop the project. Esthetique has no right to "claim" a project. They were so slow with the translations anyway, they're being selfish.
Thank you so much for your translations
you shouldn't stop just because they say so, i mean , especially for hwang mi ri's work. her works always end with the worse cliff hangers! so i really appreciate the scans!
but after reading all the comments, and researching myself, it probably wasn't esthetique's fault either. you're both providing scans for the 'less fortunate' that can't read it anywhere else, so you should'nt be fighting each other like this. it'll just give less time to translate (^-^ hehe...) so while i don't know whether or not esthetique was rude about asking you to stop, you could have just replied to them saying you won't stop. i don't think they could have done anything more. as for uploading your scans, it's obvious they didn't.
and i do understand why they said they wanted you to stop. it's because since you're so fast, they are forced to drop it, even if they don't want to, so it's sort of like stealing (don't get me wrong, i love having fast releases) and if they don't want to, and they continue it, no one will read it after. that's probably why they told you to stop.
i'm just pointing out the other side of the arguement, i really do love reading fast scans. i would die if i had to wait so long for one chapter. but i just hate to see two scandlators biting each other's throats for something so simple.
and yes, i'm another person posting with anonymous. it's easier, you just click and scroll to 'Anonymous'.
Some anonymous people are so rude. They don't know anything, just listen one side and accuse without finding evidences. Rapunzel, I don't blame you. The heat of moment may make you act like this. But did you look at the facts before accusing other? Well, can't help since it's your blog anyway.
Also, you have free right to translate it yourself since there's no license involved. I don't like HMR's art work but your work is amazing. Good job.
Again, I suggest you should calm down and think before taking action.
Another anonymous.
i hate them!!!!!!! but please continue uploading for the next chapters of BHOH...
love yhea guys!!
:)
xoxo:]
Rapunzel,
I think it's about time you consider locking the comments on this post (Esthetique) and the other one (I was wrong!). The longer you leave it open, the more you're going to get random people posting nasty comments which could possibly annoy you and possibly annoy the folks at Esthetique.
Have fun with your scanlations.
p.s. I'm posting as another anonymous because I'm too lazy to get an account.
Well I'd like to comment something here although is a bit out of the discussion theme.
Earlier i read something about steal proyects, HQ scans and things like that, I seriously believe that translating and scanlating is a hard work and I'm very grateful, but, It's no fair too when a group has one proyect during months without any update, or when a group have thousand of proyects and update 1 or 2 chapters every 90 or 60 days .. I don't like to preassure the scanlators but if you can't do it, leave the proyect to other people, I don't think a lot of groups dare to steal proyects that are frequently updated.
I also think that quality is important It's not like we are idiots that read shit, (furthermore people like me which country language isn't english) but I prefer less HQ and don't ahve to wait 18 months for 12 pages.
What make me angrier is that those groups not only not finish their proyects , even begin new ones (I'm not talking about this group or esthetique, this group works really well and esthetique i don't know because I don´t usually follow its progress)
Can u guys SHUT the fucking up!! omg I hv Neva seen such rash and bad mouthing ppl before some of u r. u Guys smell like poop. JSt shut ur trap. This is my first time on here and this is the first comment I hv seen n post n i can tell u da I'm ashame of myself to even critize u creap. some of u fuck up ppl speak like some stupidn E someding is the bomb r somdin. Wat lies beneath a beauty is The ugliness. I bet E is wonderful but it's not 4 u freaking Baka to say wat rite n wrong so jSt stop this bad mouthing others. If u hv nuttin gd to said then dun say it. Hv u hear the sayin, when silent speak the most. MayBe the Rapunzel ( sry if I spell ur sn name wrong) jst want to rant her anger or state an opinion and it doesn't mean da u E fan can come and bash a person. U neither leave n b quiet or dun even come here. She works hard for her work n if u dun appreciate it then dun read it. In addition, if said that u can't make an account n put ur name or sn up then u dun need to b/c all u need to do is put ur name in here so dun out excuse. K n if u didn't know then now u do. I hope my comment is the last one. If not then I'll make it so. WAtch me. One more bad word from any of u spoil brat I'll make sure mangafox or E will take ur account down. My gosh , r we in kindergarden, does no1 knows the golden rule: treat other the way u want to b treated. I'm treatin u guys this way bc da was wat most of u did to R, Idc about quality but if they can achieve and accomplish their goal. From wat I heard and I went n check myself , I culd said this E ding almost alwAys quit half way or take yrs finishng a manga up, so they should just accept other help w/ open arms, if not then just ignore them. Ok I'm bore now bbb Erica N
I agree with Erica. So what if Rapunzel wanted to release some of her stress? So she was wrong... so what? That just proves that she's human. Jeez! Give her a break. She's new and she's learning.
PS: To the guys who were sweet enough to advise and not admonish (to the jerks who know nothing but to flap their mouths, know the difference!), well done!
wow uhh i didnt think tht Esthetique would do tht....
I help Esthetique out but wow.
Wow Erica you got some languages there...
Erica
Esthetique and Rapunzel are doing the same thing.
They are working as hard as they can...
It doesnt mean that one person is bad n the otha is good.
I agree with Nevur.
Truth is Esthetique had a lot of work going on. They had a lot of projects they had to do so they kept on asking in there manga to help us translate and everything. They still probably have like 50 projects going on at once. They are rlly slo. Some of the translator was slo at doing their own jobs.
Also, when i told Esthetique that i wanted to stop bcuz i had no time to translate anymore, Esthetique was being rude to me just becuz i wanted to stop.
Esthetique is probably still doing some of the same works that she had 1 yr ago. I checked on Deliquent Lesson and well E isnt done. E started that 1 1/2 yrs ago....
The only thing to do is to check for yourself. I mean even in real life the message gets so much distorted most of the times, you wonder why the end product has nothing to do with what was said at the beginning. WHo cares about the level of the scans since the question here is about if credit was stolen or not and if yes by the group esthetique or someone else claiming to be part of it or maybe even someone else. Stay focus on the point. Rapunzel, I would advice you to write an e-mail to Sylvie, explaining what the matter is. I'm sure she would look into the matter to see if the accusation is correct or not. Since in anger the slightest thing is blown out of proportion. You know, what was done to you. Now the other side has to check this out, because otherwise anybody could claim such things from any scanlation group. Just to be fair, even if you still believe them to be guilty, giv ethem a chance to see where the problem really lies. That's the least a courteous person would do and I admit it is difficult in these circumstances.
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